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Anyone who knows me, either Gaje' or fellow cousin, knows that I am rarely a quiet Gypsy... so there is no need for me to be quiet about this. Very often I notice someone put their lives or well-being in jeopardy for the promise of treasure or trinkets to be had from a monster, death knight, or any sort of ill-willed creature. Many times I have noticed (it happens to me, as well) that individuals who have jeopardized seemingly nothing, walk away with the goodies, while the deserving walk away with nothing. I happened to be the victim of this circumstance (along with my Damashay cousins) this last particular Lumberton gathering, and it was quite infuriating... NOW! I would not mind having loot STOLEN from me, if it were someone who was actually IN NEED! BUT NO! Instead, while I was killing blowing a shadow dragon that got LURED to the Damashay circle... and my VERY INTOXICATED blood was PURIFIED so that I could help slay the TWO beasts, in the first place... ... A "NOBLE", and I use that term VERY loosely, snuck out of the shadows behind the carcass and searched it for loot while I was busy placing the final blow to the horrid creature. THEN! He took the loot without batting an eyelid and walked away with no offer of loot to ANYONE who had expended time, resources, safety OR A GOOD HOOCH BUZZ!!! Right now I will not mention any names, but this matter will be taken care of! It greatly disturbs me that people who are GIVEN titles, and GIVEN resources on top of resources so that they may perform their "Duties" efficiently, then must STEAL from the very people that they must ask to do their dirty work. I feel deeply sorry for those inexperienced adventurers who struggle greatly every market event so that they may be able to afford training... I apologize to anyone who is TRULY NOBLE who may have been offended by my words, but if you are TRULY NOBLE you should not be offended. I apologize to anyone else who doesn't care to see me complaining, as well... I would have said nothing if it hadn't been such a blatantly dishonest, underhanded, unprincipled and despicable act on the part of a so called Noble. Also, Baroness Illyana, I would like to speak with you about this.... pigeon me: odie_xn@yahoo.comsigned, Reesie Damashay Bandoleer of Damashay Clan, Great Sage of Gypsy Hooch, Entertainer of Seelie Faye, Champion to Seelie Lord of the Wood, Drinker of Extra-planar hooch, Slayer of Giant Sphinx (I had help, though), Seeker of buried treasure, Seeker of unburied treasure, Seeker of pretty much any kind of treasure, Friend of the farmers, Really Good Friend of farmer's daughters!
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No need to apologize. We understand your feelings on this matter.
What I don't understand is your surprise in this matter. I tend to watch my back when most titled nobles are around. Criminal are more trusting. They fear punishment under the laws while the titled nobles are above the law...they are the "enforcers".
Many will argue this point, but in the end a commoner's word holds less influence than a noble. I can clearly remember when a noble came up to me and told me that I was accused and already tried and found guilty of treason and that my words meant nothing. The funny thing was, the actions that I took that were considered treasonous were also sanctioned by a noble (baron) to begin with.
Bottom line, if a noble or group of nobles do not like you, they can invent any number of charges against you, hold a private trial (optional), and declare you an outlaw. We are suppose to roll over and take it.
Dante Laramin
Commoner
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Bandoleer Reesie Damashay,
It has been long since I have seen you in Galavast and River's End, and I am glad to see that still you are well. I am sorry to read of your unfortunate experience. In my travels, I have met many good nobles, many bad ones, some merely acceptable. Even the best of the nobility even has lapses, like any other sentient being. It is well that you bring this behavior to the baroness, as only by such actions can bad nobles be removed and bad acts censured and remediated. It is my hope that you will not let the acts of some spoil your view of the whole.
~Dame Serranna~
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There are only two poeple I have meet that I belive are true nobles, Sir Brock and ex-Baron Drago. To a lesser extent Baron Ecade. All others are noble in title only. Most do not have the heart and strength of will to be noble.
Dario Vittore Colucci
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This is why I don't leave Vargas.
But anyway, Reesie Damashay, you'll need to appoint a next in line for the Bandoleer of Damashay Clan for what you've said, because I think public mockery is a death sentence. As is my own suggestion that you're on your way to a beheading I would guess.
Anyway, you do your fellow commoners a disservice by not naming the scoundrel. Are we to believe it is a traveling noble, or one of Lumberton, or one of some distant land?
On a side note, another reason that you should put a name to the picture you printed is that there is a Noble of Lumberton that I do know, a fellow named Sir Brock. So, if your not willing to name the person your talking about , you'll do me (and other commoners) a favor by confirming you don't mean my friend Sir Brock.
Thando
Of The Commoners
Vargas
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How is it mockery of someone when you don't know who it is? Was it a Lumberton noble, or a traveling one... don't know. If he stated who it was then perhaps I would consider it mockery since this is a public tree.
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Ah, noble mockery, my favorite crime, where a noble can accuse you of committing it even if you didn't just because they don't like something about you. "You looked at me the wrong way! You are mocking a noble. Shackle 'em up." Now not all nobles do that, and in my opinion, not that it is worth much, Reesie Damashay has not mocked a noble.
He has brought to light an all too common occurrence. Not just nobles, but common adventurers and locals as well. Now I wasn't in Lumberton when this happened, but if I should be there at the upcoming one, I will be willing to assist Reesie or anyone else in teaching those who try to gain profit without work a lesson on keeping their hands to their own.
Nil
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Oh you silly Gaje',
Sir Brock was NOT the noble in question... ..if it was your business, you would probably already know.
I did not mention this certain "noble's" name to avoid finger-pointing, but once again you Gaje' never seem to amaze me...
I am bandoleer of my clan because I can manage to keep the best interests of my cousins at heart. BUT, I guess some of you Gaje' can't understand a concept so pure and simple... .. when you CAN understand such a principle, then maybe you can speak un-like an idiot about bandoleers passing their "titles".
I apologize to my Gaje' friends who I may think I have lumped you into the same lowly category as Thando "of the commoners"
Reesie Damashay
Bandoleer of Damashay Clan,
Great Sage of Gypsy Hooch,
Entertainer of Seelie Faye,
Champion to Seelie Lord of the Wood,
Drinker of Extra-planar hooch,
Slayer of Giant Sphinx (I had help, though),
Seeker of buried treasure,
Seeker of unburied treasure,
Seeker of pretty much any kind of treasure,
Friend of the farmers,
Really Good Friend of farmer's daughters!
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As usual Dame Serranna has made a thought statement on the issue. I have lived many years, I was in Dyllaria before the humans arrived and have seen th Lorne family's area of influence rise from a small fort to a Kingdom. Nobles are people just like me or you. There are good and bad. Dario Vittore Colucci said that he/she has only met two people he/she considers true nobles. You need to get out more.
When someone takes a noble title, they make a pledge to help protect the people of the lands. This means when the bad stuff happens, they stay and deal with it. They don't get to say, I don't think we can take care of this and leave town. If they do not dedicate themselves, they lose their title. It has happened in the past and it will happen in the future. How many nobles have given their lives in endevours that most would never even try. Look at the sacrifice of Lord Dow for Ashton. If you think that is not noble, then you do not know what noble is.
Ressie voiced his displease at the action in Lumberton. He is following the correct legal process that is open to anyone. Ressie is a well respected man. He is noble in heart even though he is not a titled person. He earned the title of Bandolier through the acts he has done for his clan, it is not, as he said, a Gaje title that gets passed down by a decree but it will have to be earned. I hope that it doesn't have to be earned by another for many years.
The issue was also brought up about people who search things they do not kill. This is stealing and should be deal with as such. As a fighter, I do not or should not stop to search things I kill until after the battle is over and I turn around and find other adventurers seaching the body of things I have killed. This is offensive. Most people will tell me what they find and I usually let them have it if it coin. That is not the point though, you shouldn't take the treasure off things you didn't kill. If someone helps with a kill, they have a right to take some treasure, but don't swoop in and steal treasure becasue the person who kill it is off fighting more creatures.
On a final unrelated note, always pay your healers or make sure they have enough money for their training.
Seban Silverleaf
Guild Steward, Lumberton Shire
Member of the Reno Clan by marriage
Didki of the Berylstar clan
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Reesie Damashay wrote:Oh you silly Gaje'
Sir Brock was NOT the noble in question... ..if it was your business, you would probably already know Good. Reesie Damashay wrote:Oh you silly Gaje'
I apologize to my Gaje' friends who I may think I have lumped you into the same lowly category as Thando "of the commoners"
What? Did you read my words to mean...well, I am befuddled, I have no clue what you thought I meant. You brought this up, gypsy, not me, you called someone out but didn't say who, damn right I am making sure you are not attacking my friend. Oy, why I bother - I speak my mind and that makes me a Gaje, whatever the seven planes that is. Ressie, you misread my words and insulted me. Or you properly read my words and insulted me. Either way, whatever, I have heard your insult Ressie and will be challenging to you duel to the circle as soon as I can figure out how to do it without insulting anyone else. Thando, who doesn't have 13 titles to put under his name
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So, Ressie, we got off to the wrong foot, lets have a death duel and let it be water under the bridge. I am too short lived to hold a grudge and hope you feel the same.
So, do you come to Vargas? If so, we can work out a time and place and be done with it and both move on.
Thando
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A Gaje' if I'm not mistaken is just a nongypsy. I am a Gaje' if my understanding is correct. Though I believe it is best not to call out names till the matter is address by the proper authorities if it is addressed. Please my friends, lets not let our words drive us to actions we might regret. Besides, fighting is not always best for business
Scarab
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i don't know what is going on but i feel offended by that word you keep useing it hurts my feelings
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Nobles and Gentles all,
Perhaps I can be of aid in this. I traveled with a gypsy clan for about six months on my way to my first Galavast market and I learned some of their terminology. Gypsy are gypsy. Gaje are non gypsy. Didikai are non-gypsy who are nonetheless considered as family to a particular clan. Gaje is not an insult unless derisive adjective is used.
~Dame Serranna~
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Thando,
Death can solve nothing... I was not trying to insult you... I was not "calling" anyone out either, that is why I left this noble nameless.
If you wish to continue kicking and gnashing your teeth, there is nothing I can do about that... My time is better spent drinking hooch and enjoying the company of my cousins. If you want to stew and wallow in your own anger and hatred of everything you don't understand, then perhaps you would do well to just sit back and enjoy a nice cold brew, instead...
By the way, I would never travel to a town that openly allows necromancers to walk amongst it's citizens. And if you want to have a "duel", perhaps a drinking contest would be more suitable.
Reesie Damashay
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Seban? Didiki? I don't recall that one, having talked to the Berylstars regularly. Perhaps you're thinking of a different clan?
~ Nasir Dimrak Fallowfield (about to marry into the Berylstar clan)
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Can someone tell me what a Bandoleer is?
Scribe of Grom Shield-Breaker.
Uruk Durbo of the Bloody Mace Clan of the Nardurbum Tribe
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A Bandoleer is the clan leader of a gypsy clan... sometimes considered the "elder"...
The Bandoleer is responsible for speaking as the head of the clan in matters of trade, usually, but speaks as the single voice of his/her clan in any matter that concerns that clan as a whole.
Essentially the Bandoleer is the "leader" of his/her clan, but the authority that he carries is backed only by mutual respect by his/her clansmen because a Bandoleer is appointed by his/her clan members for an indefinite amount of time.
-Reesie Damashay
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Nasir,
I was named Didiki by Aegiryn and Galena many years ago. I was the person who taught Aegiryn how to make some of his very first alchemical elixirs. I am sure that they will remember if you ask them.
Seban Silverleaf
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