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Tordex my friend,
This sounds like the old you. Not the one that I knew before his latest visit with death. You seem much less in control of your emotions then what you were my friend. You know he was just sating an opinion and never actually said he intended to try such things. In fact if he was you know he would never openly speak of such intentions. Atleast that my chain of reasoning, it could be flawed however, I have never claimed my reasoning infalable. However, taking everyone's views and information they have gained and pooling it collectively is the best way to deal with the situation openly. Truth and facts reduce fear of the unknown. Perhaps those that know more about the situation then they are letting be known should share it for all to reduce such feelings amongst the rest of us. Just my opinion though my friend, as always people are free to do as they wish and should not take my words as anything declaration set in stone. I hope to se you all soon my friends, in person...
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Was that a threat? That is interesting. You do realize now that the rift is closed, you won't come back a second time don't you?
I will forgive this once, don't ever threaten me again. There's no profit in it.
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The area of the rift is a dragons burial plot. I will not allow anyone to defile this place. David Everspell Champion of Enlightenment The Butcher of Rockcrusher Master Sorcerer Journeyman Wizard Alchemist
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Um, what if it was defiled when the rift was closed? Maybe the Dragon wanted it open?
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No he is dead he doesn't want anything. Somebody just used the latent power of his body to create the rift (to the best of are knowlage) David Everspell Champion of Enlightenment The Butcher of Rockcrusher Master Sorcerer Journeyman Wizard Alchemist
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Believe me good sir the dragon did not want the rift in the neverending graveyard open. I personally have done a contact ancient dead and spoke with him. I was the one who led the group to close the rift. I could not sit and allow something so unnatural to continue to happen, i am most certain the safety of tyrra depended on this rift being fixed. I being of the returned not once but twice in the last 10 years, am of course who i once was. But as you would say baby again.But the first time i returned i was not and thats what makes me really scared of what could happen. How do we know that someone or something hasnt used this rift that could change the face of tyra for the worst.I understand that we all would like to have our loved ones back but at what cost dear sir is this possible. I would have taken another final death to close that rift so YOU could be safer on this unforgiving world. So please dont judge me or mock me for actually careing something that is not in a large supply. In my time on tyra all in all i have had many positions, captain of the guard, sherrif knight and even Lord. And i apologize to all for ranting but this does hit close to my heart. If you good sir wish to discucc this further please feel free to contact me at my roost because this is not the place to hang our disagrements.Thank you.
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Lets be clear. I am not a mage. I don't do rifts.
I also share Davids respect and honor of Dragon kind, coming from a family whose name is known among them that reportedly served them for many years, I guess David forgot that.
I also do not think there ever should have been a rift or returned. People live, then they die and the wheel turns. Those that escape the cycle of rebirth we are burdened with have moved on to something more, to enlightenment. To drag them back to here seems improper to me, and I do not believe they even know what they have lost, as that is not how our minds work. But that is my belief, I do ask others to adhere to what i believe, I simply would not seek to return those that have passed to something more by opening some rift.
That being said, these returned have come back and now others that appear to have returned are being attacked without thought or question when they could well be another returned. If we attack one then we should all. We have agreed not to attack them all therefore no one that has died and appears to have returned should be attacked until it is sure they are back to the living as are others. One rift was opened and is now closed, we do not know if there are more.
I also object to those that have returned deciding suddenly that only they are worthy and closing the way they came. If it has been decided that it is a good thing you returned and you are as you were but as babes then it should be good for all. If it is such a danger to have a weakened returned zombie then posting guards at the rift to protect us from their childlike savagery is a simple task and they could also act as guides to those that we want to come through.
I have trouble understanding the logic that a certain few come back from the permanence of death and then are allowed to decide they are the only few that are allowed such a thing and close the way behind them. I have trouble understanding this imaginary threat from beings that were once powerful but as far as all of the evidence we have shows, will return severely weakened being used as justification for a few to be privileged.
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Oh I remembered, But as an aspiring Dragonmage. It would not go well on the resume that I allowed a dragon to be used in an unnatural maner. David Everspell Champion of Enlightenment The Butcher of Rockcrusher Master Sorcerer Journeyman Wizard Alchemist
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Be it known to all discussing the closure of the Rift and the Returned:
I was tasked by the Lord High Regent of Dylleria himself with investigating the cause of the opening of the Rift and research the possibility of closing it to prevent more heinous things from coming out of it. After talking to people living and otherwise (see Gilli Rockcrusher's post about the Contact Ancient Dead ritual), it was determined the confluence of residual Nature and Dragon magic along with a catalyst of unknown origin opened the Conduit to the Endless Graveyard in Tyrra. I presume it opened due to a weakening of the magical barrier placed in the Heroes' Graveyard at Rockcrusher Forge by the former Nature mages in the Green Mountain Rangers and I believe members of the Order of the Silver Spruce, and as elements will seek the path of least resistance, this portal found a weak spot in the fabric of Tyrran magic and opened in Rockcrusher Forge.
As far as the Returned coming back in different areas, I am guessing the Returned appeared in areas where their spirit and memories were strongest and most familiar to them.
When the portal was closed, the Returned suffered from the link being severed, which I witnessed with my own eyes as Squire Tordex and Gilli Rockcrusher writhed in seeming agony and dissipated, only to reform within the Earth Circle.
While there are many others I would also have seen come back from the Endless Graveyard, I would rather them remain in my memory than to unleash something much worse on Tyrra by failing to act. The supposition that all the Returned com back as "babes" is just that, supposition. To assume EVERYONE coming from the Endless Graveyard would be this weak is a fallacy I would not wish to entertain, as the way things happen can change quickly. I have found it is better to err on the side of caution than to regret not acting at all.
Any who wish to question my motives may contact me via private pigeon at thorinf(at)yahoo(dot)com, or speak to my liege lords Lord High Regent Artimus Silvertree or His Excellency County Cyrus Ashington in County Green.
While I agree that discussion of the Conduit is healthy and welcomed, it should be done knowing the decision to act was made in the best interests of Tyrra and all included living therein.
I remain,
Lord Thorin Falstaff
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I blame dream elementals for what happened at that market day!! kilgorin grandmaster smith captian of the green gryphons of rockcrusher
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kilgorin wrote:I blame dream elementals for what happened at that market day!!
kilgorin
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captian of the green gryphons of rockcrusher I do too but with all due respect Kilgorin, you owe me an apology for the sheild incident (oog i know dude. its cool)
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Or it was made in the best interest of the few that were allowed to come back without regard to others that have lost loved ones.
And all of the evidence shows all that return do so in a weakened state. Closing that rift was not a decision for one person or group. It stood to be a boon for all on Tyrra.
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Really Drago!? You wanna restart this mess? Tell you what, come to Rockcrusher and I'll let you go through all of are research. The next time we need to make a decision I will personally contact you and get your approval. Cause we don't wanna have a Sebastion innicendent again do we Drago? Squire Tordex Stronghold
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can fighting over this issue be done else where. i ask this knowing both of you and hoping you two consider me enough of a friend to listen. thank you,
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Unfortunately I just saw the note from Thorin Falstaff, so yes I did want to start it again. It still offends me that the few choose for the many.
I do not know what Sebastian incident you are referring to.
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Alright everybody, let's just sit back & be easy fer few minutes. You all think that just a few goody folk came back but yer wrong. I personally fought Neyamius again cuz he came back through that portal thing. He was really weak compared to what he used to be but he ain't gone now. He's back. You all have big ideas of who ya are an' what ya think. I take personal responsibility fer Gilli and Fooze. Heck, I'll even take on resposibilty fer Tordex. I'm not sure what happened is right but if they cross a line, my axe will be first at the neck. Things are getting really mixed up lately. Everybody needs to step back & trust in some of the current leaders.
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I agree. The portal is closed. The news of some threat returning is a bit disturbing, but the others who have returned are back and have yet to show any major fault or anything that they weren't like before. They're back. Other than killing them again(which I believe would be murder as I think these returned are once again under the protection of the law) there really is nothing to do but watch to make sure they are themselves and enjoy the company of friends you never thought you'd see again. Drago, these people are back and have shown no malicious intent, so as far as I see they pose no threat. The threat of all kinds of people returning to life is gone. Am I sad? Yes. I would have loved to see my father or mother or sister once again, but they are gone. I would love to see them alive and in good health, but the portal is closed now, so I see no reason for argument to continue. Seems like as though you feel like yelling about a problem that's already been solved.
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To Bandolier Drago,
While I am not sure of the ettiquette in your lands, it is usually considered good form to use a person's title when referring to them. I have seen and heard of people having to post public apologies for this lack of respect for noble title. Since I have been newly elevated, I will not create much fuss other than to say remember I AM a noble, and as such, should be addressed appropriately.
Lord Thorin Falstaff
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Dear THORIN, Perhaps YOU are the one who is unaware... a Gypsy's respect is earned. Much like many other peoples' It is no wonder to me any longer that so many of my cousins decide to forgo market gatherings at so many Stonegate towns. It is probably because of men like you who demand respect because of some title. Luckily for me and my fellow Damashay that the lovely Baroness Illyanna and her house do not conduct themselves in the same manner as you... I really like Lumberton Shire. Signed, Reesie Damashay Oh... and P.S. THORIN... The next time I see you, then you had BETTER ADDRESS ME by my rightful titles.... IN ORDER: Bandolier of the Damashay Clan Brewer of the Great Damashay Hooch Apprentice to Xander Vogalin, Dyllarian Gypsy King Champion to the Seelie Fae Slayer of the Sphinx Imbiber of Intoxicants and Hallucinoids Friend of the Farmers REALLY Good Friend of the Farmers' Daughters Seeker of Buried Treasure Seeker of Unburied Treasure Seeker of Pretty Much Any Kind of Treasure
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I will take your your word that you bear the title noble Thorin. If I someday see that you are Noble in deed and action as well I will certainly give you all due respect. Until then, I do not know you nor your deeds so you will be Thorin Fallstaff. I will likely be in Lumberton in the coming days if you should like to discuss it further.
Reesie Damashay Bandolier of the Damashay Clan, Brewer of the Great Damashay Hooch, Apprentice to Xander Vogalin, Dyllarian Gypsy King, Champion to the Seelie Fae, Slayer of the Sphinx, Imbiber of Intoxicants and Hallucinoids, Friend of the Farmers, REALLY Good Friend of the Farmers' Daughters, Seeker of Buried Treasure, Seeker of Unburied Treasure, Seeker of Pretty Much Any Kind of Treasure has in fact proven his Nobility in deed and action time and again, thus I will use his title, err titles.
Now lets do some math. I assume they teach that in noble school. Some people came back from the endless graveyard, something that has never been seen before. They seem themselves and pass all the tests of Stonegate, assuming none of the testers have been compromised. Once back they leave the door open until Neyamius returns, then arrange for it to be closed behind him. They are aslo very careful to mae sure anyone else that returns other than them is viewed with suspicition or even attacked. Now I know we adventures are trusting fools, but if a bunch of people come back from permanent death and keep coming until a being that has always been a villain of Stonegate returns, then those same claim close the door behind him claiming to be stopping any more from coming and warn that any others that return are a threat, could it not be that they were instead simply waiting for him because he somehow arranged this and they are under his control, and they closed the Way to prevent any from coming through to aid us or warn us?
It does seem odd to me that only a few were chosen and those few were very concerned with closing the Way AFTER Neyamius returned. Or it could be as you say. Some fluke allowed a few spirits to return, one of which was Neyamius and then coincidently they ran to close the door behind them to prevent anything bad from coming through, AFTER something bad came through. You do the math.
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